Wednesday, July 01, 2009

5 Most Common Sticking Points Amongst Students

Hey guys,

I wanted to write up the most common sticking points I've seen in students over the last month.

1. Lack of state management. Almost no students have a set 20 minute warm up to get into state. This doesn't have to be anti-social or weird where you run around screaming or making monkey noises. But you do need a way to go from anti-social and in your head to social and in the moment.

2. Not paying attention to the entire group. I'm no great proponent of group theory as I think it can be overly complicated and sometimes you can just game the girl. However you still need to acknowledge the group and at least get the "nice guy" approval from her friends. Most guys think they need to make everyone in a group attracted, this is wrong. You just need them to be ok with you talking to their friend, and isolating her.

3. Not going for isolation. Almost all game happens in isolation, yet no students go for it without having to be told.

4. Not escalating physically, or getting stuck doing the same types of touching. If I had a dollar for everytime a student touches a girl's elbow more than 5 times in an interaction, I could retire. It's amazing how students don't realize that they have to touch, and keep touching. You must have a basic idea of how to escalate physically. If you don't have one check out the Lay Reports Book( and see what different touching happens between meet and sex.

5. Inability to transition in a conversation. This is a problem of both frame control, and lack of conversational techniques. You need to know how to use open loops, pauses, multiple threads, push backs, unanswered questions etc... In order to keep a conversation going.

See if any of that applies to you. If it does, fix it and your game will improve dramatically.



  1. Hey Jon,

    Totally true!

    There's one more that I have seen around in the UK and that's qualifying.

    A lot of other students I know are still not qualifying, I know it took me a while to get there.

    Anyway man thanks for the post!

  2. Outstanding. Simple things a lot of people forget. Even the best seem to forget. Check! Check! Check! Check! Check!

  3. Anonymous8:10 PM

    Sinn you suck!!

  4. Anonymous1:49 AM

    one common thing i see in wings all the time is not taking care of logistics within the first few minutes.

    they do well for half an hour and all of a sudden get back to me and my set, telling me their girl's the designated driver or some shit like that.

    "so what's on the agenda for later?"


    i even like to ask that obstacles to whom i haven't said a word yet.

    awesome post though, sinn!