Saturday, November 08, 2008

MY Top 10 PUAS List

Hurray Dick Crack!

I'm not big on ranking how good people are at pickup, but for some reason I've been getting deluged recently by emails from guys asking me who's legit and who isn't so I decided that I'd put together a top ten list. I'm only going to be ranking guys I've ACTUALLY seen in field so some people who are probably more than deserving will be left off.

Let's start off with the notables who didn't make the list:

Future- Had the second best run I've ever seen in 2006 where literally every girl he talked to he ended up fucking within a year. Retired with a girlfriend.

Tim from RSD- The only thing keeping Tim off is that I haven't seen him in field since Cliffslist 2005 back when even he will admit he wasn't that great. If half of what I've heard from Moxie, TD, and students is true, he's probably a top 2 guy. But I haven't seen it so he's off for now...

Jlaix- I've smoked with Jeffy and seen him do kareoke but haven't seen him game. I know he's one of the top guys as well as my personal favorite dating coach, but rules are rules.

Toecutter- Hurts to leave him off, but I know he hasn't been that active in the past few years, so we can't award points for having been a legend at one point.

Zan- Zan has ridiculous comfort game and I would never want to introduce him to a girl I was into, but his cold approach game is not up to par(as he would admit himself)

Style- Neil doesn't open due to horribly bad AA and instead leeched off others sets every time I saw him. His warm game is really good though and considering his lack of natural advantages, the fact he gets laid is impressive.

The Kurgen- Right as he was hitting his stride he got a girlfriend. For a guy whose in his mid 40s, and Asian, he has some sick game.

Braddock, Da Hunter, and Rokker- All three of these guys have a ton of natural advantages but get amazing results. if not for that fact that some uglier, older, more socially retarded guys have equal game, they'd all make the list.

Geoff formerly of RSD- Had amazing game, got married and has a kid. A success story.


Allright onto the list:

10. Mehow- Balls of steel, plus the best "synthetic" attraction game out there, get Mehow the 10th spot. His attraction game almost always works and he has some of the best mixed set game I've ever seen.

9. TD- I missed TD at his peak, but since I've been out with him his ability to control frames, and dominate social interactions is almost without peer. He's another guy who takes the hardest sets possible and plows.

8. Moxie- Biggest balls in the community bar none. Also has some of the fastest escalation game I've ever seen. No one does more intense things than Moxie. Especially when it comes to mixed sets and Amogging. Plus he has no approach anxiety, every night we go out he's in set as I'm looking around trying to figure out where the bar is.

7. Doc Holliday and Entropy- Can't really separate these guys. Entropy has better advantages and results. Doc makes the most of what he has and probably has technically superior game. Both of these guys are massively underrated. Doc's day game is probably second best in the world to mine and his night game has come on incredibly strong. When we were in Orlando for his 21st he ended up getting laid his second night out in a bar.

6. Julian Foxx- I walked into his house as he was threesoming two gorgeous strippers. I have NO idea what he does, but it works better than almost everything everyone else is doing.

5. El Topo- Unstoppable once he gets into comfort. He's the best at sexual escalation, baiting, building compliance, and dominance. He also got good faster than almost anyone else.

4. Savoy- He's gonna be mad at me for ranking him this high. The most underrated pick up artist out there hands down. I learned more from him than anyone for the first 2 years I was in the game. His game is VERY different from anyone else I've ever seen. Most dominant guy in set by far.

3. AFC Adam- Best attraction game I've ever seen. Super systematic, he's created a system for himself that simply doesn't fail. HE once explained it to me that he basically finds the cheat codes in everything he does from Magic the gathering games to pickup. Unbelievably good.

2. Mystery- If I had to bet my life on someone picking up the hottest girl in a club(not closing her the first night) I'd put it on Erik. The only thing that keeps him from being the best is the fact that he stays dogmatically rooted to the 7 hour rule and "solid game".

1. Brad P and Captain Jack- I kept trying to separate these 2 and couldn't do it so I have a tie for first place.

When CJ is going out, motivated and opening he's the best I've ever seen. In fact he's the only guy I've ever seen where I was surprised he didn't get laid once he was talking to a girl. He's not really going out anymore, which is the only thing keeping him from knocking Brad back a spot.

Brad P gets the top spot because he's maxed out. Everything in his life helps his game. Great inner game, great outer game, great identity, great fashion, cool car, solid financially, never says anything that isn't interesting and cool. Amazing escalation skills, great at relationship management. There's NOTHING he isn't good at when it comes to game. That's why he's # 1.

S

43 comments:

  1. Tripod10:36 AM

    Hey man,
    you have El Topo on your list and I was just courious about him. Savoy said in his blog and on The Lounge, that El Topo is not good at all and questioned whether one can learn anything at all from him. He also stated that he got tons of refunds for his redstack. Is there any truth to that?

    I was considering buying a routine stack from him but Savoy's attack makes me wonder if that#s a good idea.

    Thanks
    TriPod

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  2. THUNDERUMP10:50 AM

    Interesting about Style.

    I always sensed he was way

    overrated.

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  3. DONT SHOOT the MESSENGER.11:07 AM

    Hey did you forget about moi {sean}?

    Does anyone know a good drycleaners?

    All my pickup outfits are covered
    in dog hairs.


    PS Never use scoopers , SHARE THE LOAF.

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  4. Anonymous11:08 AM

    On Julian, have you seen him in set? His having a threesome with apparent strippers as you walk in is impressive, but there are ways to get there that don't have anything to do with tight game. Along with the timing being mighty coincidental, I wondered if you've seen him approach or talking to girls.

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  5. Anonymous11:22 AM

    Cool list!!

    Sinn, where would you honestly put yourself in the list?

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  6. SENIOR SPEEDY11:52 AM

    Ummm CAN YOU IMAGINE the anger, of

    the genius who STARTED seduction?

    I practically invented the word PUSSY.

    I'm sure you MEANT to put me AT NUMBER ONE.

    and , BLOW ME, are the imitators.

    they TRY to go in a NEWDIRECTION but

    their heads are UP THEIR ASSES!!!!!!!

    I may just Sue You Sinn!!!!!!!

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  7. Anonymous12:02 PM

    Everytime I saw Jeffy he was out just drinking and being wild. He seems to game anything that walks but he does have decent game. You say you don't trust Zan, I don't trust Mystery around my women, he's the guy that pretends he's your friend but is trying to game your girl behind your back. Style is one of the best at talking and socializing but I too wonder how he gets laid except he has good rapport skills.

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  8. Anonymous1:07 PM

    Why don't you rank yourself in the list? You belong there..

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  9. Anonymous3:20 PM

    Could you elaborate on Mehow's "synthetic attraction"?

    This doesn't sound good.

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  10. The Real Life Hitch7:59 PM

    Where's Wygant?? He has some of the greatest seafood game I've ever heard, it's not just limited to salmon either, I've heard him incorporate whitefish and crab into his game as well, other than that this list is (in Kenny Bania voice) "Gold, Sinn! Gold!"

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  11. Anonymous8:58 PM

    What about Juggler? His method seems to be the most natural of all of them, though I'd like to hear your opinion on him.

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  12. sinn
    I am super surprised TD is #9.

    Nice list though.

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  13. Anonymous2:33 AM

    Now that your list is out, the critics will come. :-)

    I'm gonna add my 2 cents.

    1) YOU, Sinn, are missing on that list. Of course, not because it would result in massive huge waves of hatred, anger and backstabbing in this little community of ours, but simply because you belong there. One of the guys on the list could possibly rate you.

    2) I don't agree with TD on No.9. He has to be way higher and would probably kill most of the guys on that list if they'd go for the same set. C'mon man, he INVENTED the word AMOG. I bumped into him in Hawaii a few times and in my eyes he has super powers!

    Anyways, entertaining and honest list. Make this an annual habit like Thundercat.

    Thanks
    Jason

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  14. Clarence4:28 AM

    I WANTTT TO BE ON THE LIST =((((

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  15. Anonymous8:34 AM

    Question is more from your point of view.

    what do all these people have in common from your point of view. As they all use different systems, and different aspects. But they all get results so there must be a common thread. Have you noticed it and can you post about it

    c

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  16. Anonymous9:13 AM

    Hey Sinn, Good list...as someone who does a lot of stripper game, I'm curious what your thoughts are about cocaine.

    The Julian Foxx mention made me think of it because i had a roommate who would pull strippers fairly often, but his "game" basically consisted of giving them cocaine...and let's just say these were not the kind of girls you'd want to date, so I never considered it very impressive.

    Not sure if that's the case here, but thought I'd mention it.

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  17. Anonymous9:23 AM

    You listed they guys based on what??? You hang out with them or just because you talk about theory and everything you write is such???
    That dude that was having a threesome with two strippers...how much did he pay for that??? of course if it ever happened lol

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  18. Anonymous10:15 AM

    any assessment - positive or otherwise - of the skills of -

    - 101 guys
    - Juggler guys
    - Badboy
    - other VA leaders?

    And, where do you honestly see yourself among this lot?

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  19. Great list man! I agree with most of your descriptions. I would put Mehow a little higher, but at least he's in your top ten. The best PUA I've ever seen is a guy who goes by the name of Omni. He chimes in on occasion in the Venusian Arts Forum, but just like Brad P, he has all the elements of the game covered. He absolutely owns online game and getting threesomes, plus he handles Amogging and cock blocks better than anyone. But your list is nearly flawless other than that. Thanks for posting the descriptions as well.

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  20. Anonymous4:25 PM

    A lot of haters on this thread.

    I've seen about 3 or 4 of these guys live. Of the community guys I've seen, both "gurus" and otherwise, Braddock has the best game I've ever seen. Yes, he has natural advantages, but his results in field are super impressive.

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  21. Cool list, it's good to know what one of the few guys in the community I respect thinks about who's who.

    This guy Julian Foxx wreaks of agenda so far tho.

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  22. It's all fine and nice for you guys to rank each other.

    What'd be really fun though is hearing a girl describe her experience -- how it feels to be gamed by each of the guys.

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  23. Anonymous8:39 PM

    Thanks Thundercat!

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  24. To Tripod asking about El Topo above.

    Yes, get a redStack. Just look at how many LRs there are by guys that have it. (Myself included)

    Also, El Topo was the guy to point the way of things to come with the whole Cali Pimp style sexual escalation.

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  25. Braddocks high energy game is really tight, but I don't think I've seen anyone smoother in set than Dahunter, guy is unreal

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  26. Anonymous11:55 PM

    Sweet list Sinn...You mentioned Tim,TD,Jeffy...But what about Alex ? You get a chance to peep him out yet? Dude is pretty super sick and Tyler says that he is the next big name in PU...

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  27. Anonymous11:59 PM

    Seeing Julian with 2 strippers in his house is not the same as seeing him infield, someone above has mentioned. If you drop Foxx from the list and put CaptainJack second, then it's a great list.

    But where is Thundercat? Have you not seen him in the field, pulling hot chips home?

    What do you think of Soul, Cajun and Fader? They are heavily endorsed by Love Systems.

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  28. BRAD PEEING3:31 AM

    Yeah , well is A SHOCKER
    to me, since NO ONE even knows
    what I look Like. but thank you very much.

    I mean when I was in grade school,
    I ran around the playground RETENDING
    I was a PUA, making PUA noises
    like - HEY girl, I'm HUNG like A HORSE

    and now I look EXACTLY like a PUA,

    but I'm REALLY SORRY You all make
    fun of me!

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  29. BRAD PEEING3:33 AM

    Yeah , well this award is A SHOCKER
    to me, since NO ONE even knows
    what I look Like. but thank you very much.

    I mean when I was in grade school,
    I ran around the playground RETENDING
    I was a PUA, making PUA noises
    and saying stuff like - HEY girl, I'm HUNG like A HORSE

    and now I look EXACTLY like a PUA,

    but I'm REALLY SORRY You all make
    fun of me!

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  30. BRAD PEEING3:35 AM

    Yeah , well this award is A SHOCKER
    to me, since NO ONE even knows
    what I look Like. but thank you very much.

    I mean when I was in grade school,
    I ran around the playground RETENDING
    I was a PUA, making PUA noises
    and saying stuff like - HEY girl, I'm HUNG like A HORSE

    and now I look EXACTLY like a PUA,

    but I'm REALLY SORRY You all make
    fun of me!

    Okay, for next five years, FREE
    PU videos for all!

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  31. BRAD PEEING3:37 AM

    Yeah , well this award is A SHOCKER
    to me, since NO ONE even knows
    what I look Like. but thank you very much.

    I mean when I was in grade school,
    I ran around the playground PRETENDING I was a PUA, making PUA noises and saying stuff like - HEY girl, I'm HUNG like A HORSE

    and now I look EXACTLY like a PUA,

    but I'm REALLY SORRY You all make
    fun of me!

    Okay, for the next five years, FREE
    PU videos for all!

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  32. sandy5:20 AM

    this is dick crack dude..most defintely. I 'd like to see ericka's top 10 pua list shes banged lol ..on her female perspective as she mentioned.

    Doc Holliday and Entropy ...you should have included Saffron,Im sure they will be up there for awhile.


    I cant say other guys I havent seen myself but BradP appraoch to teaching guys

    (helping keyboard jockeys and dickcrack addicts who read and talk about game all day etc..)

    I have to put my hat out to him cause he seems to be the only one who understands alot of guys who are stuck at mediocre game and he tries to get them the neccesary mentorship to become great with women.

    Paul Janka ...His frame is solid.
    He makes rejection part of numbers game rather than dealing with it on a personal inner deep level issue,
    this guy within his numbers system, keeps game simple.

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  33. Rage of RSD6:11 AM

    RAGE of RSD

    I cant believe it!

    If I hadn't listen to those Idiots!

    Paris pussy Papa and Wooooo wooo
    weirdo Tim,

    I'd still be number one or two.

    Yes still doing BS routines and
    to hell with this INNER lies
    stupid GURU traveling TOLLE frame shit!!!!!

    [Tyler in a RARE HUMAN RAGE]

    oooops, NOW back to our regular RSD PROGRAMMING.

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  34. Rage of RSD6:19 AM

    RAGE of RSD

    I cant believe it!

    If I hadn't listen to those Idiots!

    Paris pussy Papa and Wooooo wooo
    weirdo Tim,

    I'd still be number one or two.

    Yes still doing BS routines and
    to hell with this INNER lies
    stupid GURU traveling TOLLE frame shit!!!!!

    [Tyler in a RARE HUMAN RAGE]

    oooops, NOW back to our regular RSD PROGRAMMING.

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  35. @ Sandy,

    Lol :-) I probably wouldn't bang any of them. But describe the experience and feeling and pure magic of being seduced, yes that I can do.

    Right now though I can only speak to the experience (in person, at least) of one of the top ten. So under Sinn's rules, I'm disqualified. ;-)

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  36. Thanks for the props, Jon (I assume it's OK to use your real name here, if not, plse delete comment). That's high praise coming from you.

    -Nick (Savoy)

    P.S. Tripod - I never said El Topo wasn't good with women. I've never seen him do anything particularly spectacular with women, but that doesn't mean that much, I only saw him out a couple of times. I said we had a lot of student complaints and refunds (which are a rarity normally) and that I found him to be dishonest.

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  37. Brad P is a MONSTER

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  38. Tripod-

    Get the red stack. ET has been nothing but amazing in terms of support for his product. He even gave support for a competing product that ripped off his material.

    I have nothing but good things to say about the support and quality of his products.

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  39. Wow, this is a very interesting list.

    Style is not on there. Finally someone made a list without style.

    Is everyone on the list American?

    El Topo, what's up with that? like Tripod said - he was sacked from the Mystery team, customer complaints about him... Not that it has anything at all to do with skill as a PUA. He has a cool blog with lots of great content.

    Interesting that "game" as defined in the top 10 list has not evolved one bit since the good old days.

    On tha Janka comment: Seriously, a guy that is on Dr. Phil does not automatically qualify for any top 10 list. He boasts 150 + lays and 3.000 + phone numbers, well... come on, do the math, that's not really too good is it? No wonder he has great inner game in terms of translating the "NO" into a "WIN" but, is that what being a PUA is all about?

    I thought it was about having a great time, making women feel great, and actively choosing who gets to taste the magic wand... And on that note 150/3.000 kinda misses the mark.

    I have a friend who converts 80% of his number closes, ... But he will never be on the lists, and I think that pleases him :-)

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  40. Anonymous12:02 PM

    What about Sean Messenger?

    I bet he'd be a bit pissed to be called a pua but he should definitely be up there.

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  41. Anonymous7:48 AM

    Anyone seen Brent in field? Apparently he's amazing, with practically no effort on his behalf.
    Try to see Tim in field man, he's phenomenal.

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  42. Hey Sinn,

    Never even realized you put out a list too... Its funny because ur lists are sort of similiar...

    if you didn't see it already, take a look and let me know what you think.

    http://www.tsbmag.com/2008/12/04/the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2008/

    hope all is well!

    Bobby

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  43. Anonymous2:48 PM

    Paul Janka and Juggler are out of competition
    They are the best.
    Both born with master PUA abilities ,perfect communication skills and high intelligence.
    so they are not try to become PUA

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