Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Mythical Creature Of Pick-Up: The Fat Guy With Game

There are many mythical creatures in the land of Pick-up, there's the mythical guy who can pick up girls without talking, there's the guy who can out game celebrities and there's my personal favorite; The Fat Guy with game.

Question, if a dirty 5 dollar street hooker, Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and A fat guy with game are walking down the street and see a $5 dollar bill, who gets it?

Think about it...

The answer is the dirty $5 dollar hooker because the other 3 guys are figments of your imagination.

In now 8 years of actively going out and trying to meet guys with game, I have NEVER EVER EVER EVER seen a guy who was fat with game.

And I mean fat fat not fat like Nick Savoy who is a tall skinny guy with a big gut. I mean so fat that when you first see him you're only thought is man that guy is fucking fat. Chubby don't count.

In fact I would go so far as to say this, if a pickup teacher advertises that their shit works even if you're obese, clutch on to your money and run in the opposite direction.

If you're fat, women will talk to you if you approach them (Unless it's direct then they'll usually keep walking) but you are instantly screened out as having any sexual potential whatsoever. I've seen it on many bootcamps and I always tell the dude he needs to lose weight before he decides to try to learn game.

Gym before Pick-up is one of the golden rules for actually getting results at this stuff.



  1. Interesting. So all your knowledge and experience would go out the window if you gained 40 lbs. David X was not a very handsome man, but I remember him being rather successful.

    1. Anonymous5:43 PM

      David X was recounting his memories from the 70s/80s when he was on the football team and in a Quebec biker gang.

      how many 60 yr old dudes do you know that are genuinely good looking?

  2. Anonymous11:26 AM

    Brutally honest as always jon but I think youre generalizing. A recent survey (wich Im too lazy to find out) said that fat guys reflect more economic success in people eyes than skinny guys. What do you say about that? (BTW I'm a skinny guy just playing devil's advocate here)

    1. Anonymous3:33 PM

      I am the world's 3rd greatest PUA and I can tell you what people say in a survey and do in real life are two very different things.

      In a survey, a girl will tell you that she's attracted to a guy with a cute smile & nice personality. In real life, she sleeps with the bad boy with tattoos who f---s anything with a hole.

    2. Anonymous2:51 PM

      No, that's bullshit. The survey had to do with between group differences of earning potential, weight, and gender. As opposed to men, women tend to make less as they age and gain weight. I'm sure there's a cheap psych 101 class offered at a nearby community college, perhaps you could go and learn the difference between correlation and causation.

  3. Anonymous12:40 PM

    Joe D anyone?

  4. Anonymous4:37 PM

    Weight Watchers is also helpful for losing weight and praticing opening women at the same time.

  5. Anonymous6:03 PM

    johnny soprano ?fat one. fat dating coach.

  6. Anonymous6:07 PM

    very true.if the pickup company try to sell hard fat man like me, i say this to them, you are not honest.

    thanks about this advice. i go gym first before game.

  7. Anonymous9:11 PM


    My boy Jon... the only guy in the scene with the balls to keep it 100.

  8. Anonymous12:47 AM

    Hmm how about height? I'm 5'3. Can I still get hot chicks? TBH height isn't important to me when it comes to choosing a girl but I want to know based on your experience as a PUA for so long if it matters. And if it does, to what extent? I've heard so many conflicting answers on this. Thanks in advance.

    1. Anonymous3:25 PM

      There are short guys that can game, DJ Fuji (5.4), Cajun (5.6), and several others. But they had to work much harder than everyone else.

    2. Anonymous3:27 PM

      I weigh about 270lbs — that's still considered just chubby right?

    3. Anonymous9:35 AM

      While being 5.3? Search for Canonball Method.

    4. Anonymous1:46 PM

      Well, I'm probably less and I don't trust my scale because it's a cheap one I bought at Wal-Mart.

      I'm thinking if I DHV with some gold jewelry and a speedo, it will compensate somewhat for my chubbiness.

    5. Anonymous12:58 AM

      No doubt.

    6. Anonymous5:01 PM

      BIG TYPO! I meant 207, not 270!

      270 at 5'3" is fat, 207 is chubby. My mom says I'm a good looking guy so I know looks arent a problem.

      btw, I once tried to DHV at the YMCA pool with a mankini like Borat, but it was a disaster. I guess the girls are actually getting turned on by his hair, so don't anyone else try it.

      Thats why I'm gonna try a speedo next time, plus pinky rings and maybe a big unlit cigar like those cool old school gangsters in movies.

      wish me luck bros!

    7. Anonymous4:44 PM

      207 at 6 feet is chubby. 207 at 5'3 is fat. 270 at 5'3 is biggest loser territory.

  9. Anonymous2:56 AM

    Biggie Smalls. Big Pun. Man, Big Pun was one fat FUCK and was all about "I'm not a player I just fuck a lot" in the hot tub.. poppin bubbly.. don't stop.. screamin punishment...

  10. Anonymous9:28 AM

    Why Gym, a Low Carb/Paleo Diet is the solution

  11. dickbutt1:31 PM

    yes sinn please share what you've seen in regards to height. so you say there are no fat guys with game. are there short guys with game?

    1. Anonymous8:02 PM

      yes, DJ Fuji, Cajun etc.

    2. dickbutt3:12 PM

      Dr fuji is a rooster who wear lifts. How would he do without that

  12. Anonymous2:40 PM

    TD dares to differ - are you ready to have this argument jon????


    1. Anonymous8:00 PM

      Jon doesn't give a ratfart what Eckhard Tolle's ultimate fanboy thinks.

    2. Anonymous2:57 PM

      This isn't even true my friend took a bootcamp with him and he said while you should still go out and practice while your losing weight, you need to slim down to get some real results.

  13. Anonymous3:22 PM

    Thanks for the honesty. That's why I still read your blog after several years.

  14. That's why it's difficult for fat men to find potential dates. It's because they're judged by their appearance and not by their personality.

    1. Anonymous9:47 PM

      Girls know the personality of fatty.They are lazy.They don't care about food and their own body,how come fat can care about women???That's what I heard from women.I think it's good point.

      For girls it's project laziness.Of course there are some women who love fat men but it is not general case.

      Appearance--grooming and body project personality.Sometimes race also important.Girls are not racist but they want white babies,because they don't want handy cap to their own kids.This is social structure of western society.

      If you are rich,women think their future kids have better life,race will not be big matter.Well,about just casual relationship they do not care about race.

      Weight and grooming--this is something you can solve not like race.Loose weight,nice hair-cut then change wardrobe.Then social skills you learned from community helps a lot.

      Arguing this is non meaning.Do you date women who are fat and no fashion?If you date them,I would say they don't look personality.

      I would say look how you pick the women,many of men choose women based on their looks.Women are less focus on male looks but they look fat in general are slob.

    2. Anonymous5:26 AM

      Answer is: become Michael Jackson.

  15. Anonymous9:32 AM

    Good post. I see more and more common sense in your writings. Waiting till you start distiling your stuff by throwing out useless shit such as those myths for example.

  16. Anonymous10:46 AM

    How bout this... If anyone who disagrees with this blog post can both 80 pounds of chub, AND improve his success rate *without changing anything,* and proffer Jon proof, I'm sure he'll reconsider his post. Until then, let's all agree that your arguments are nothing more than specious conjecture.

  17. Anonymous2:11 PM

    Being fat is cool if you know how to frame it.

    Just like being bald, you re-frame it as a choice. Say that you're Jack Black's body double, or better yet, that you're a famous sumo wrestler in Japan.

    Add some peacocking, like a Robin Hood hat or something, and you might be able to score a girl like Bar Rafaelli with a little luck.

    1. Anonymous12:49 AM

      Yeah... sorry bud, but Bar Rafaelli isn't going out with some chubby "peacocked" dude in a robin hood hat. Unless she just came out with a psych clinic, she can score just about any dude she wants, why would a girl *that* attractive go for this.

      Framing helps, but it won't give you a golden penis. Believe it or not, you still have to be an independent, successful, and attractive person. People just like to believe you can reframe everything to your advantage since it's easy to say online, and it's a lazy perspective for people who don't actually talk to girls that often.

    2. Anonymous4:07 AM

      I think he was joking...

    3. Anonymous5:09 PM

      No joke brother, creative framing can overcome all kinds of problems—missing teeth, living in a shelter,ED, anything really. Look, if Neil Strauss can frame himself as a cool guy, then so can anyone.

      Congruency is key for re-frames. For example, if you want to frame yourself as a sumo wrestler, know common Japanese phrases like "where is the bathroom," "where is the brothel," "bring me more eel sushi," etc. Maybe even wear one of those sumo loincloths if you can find one (daygame only, not nightclubs).

      Add in clarity of intent + state and you're good to go.

      PS - I think girls get turned on by my Robin Hood hat b/c he's a good looking rebel who always plays by his own set of rules. That's the frame I always try to set for myself.

  18. Anonymous5:05 AM

    I actually know a guy with mad game who was really good with girls while chubby, read "The Game" and got even better, then became really really fat (300 lbs). He still was scoring with really hot girls. He even told me "I don't know why those girls fuck me". Also, no money and he even used my place to fuck a really hot black girl! So the fat guy with game does exist.

    1. Anonymous4:16 PM

      Hey,if you want to stay fat and want to have rock star result,go for this man without discussing.

      Jon is honest.Many guys want quick bucks say something nice and want to sell boot camp.Even after their client cared his looks,he may have better results they sell their program for quick bucks.

      If you think staying fat and can have rock star results ask help the man who can help you.

      This is something waste of time argue.It's like smokers keep saying smoking is good for himself.

      Fat body won't help you when you seduce women in general for period.

      Do you want to nice word from Jon?He is honest guy for his opinion.

      Once you asked help from this guy and failed you may wake up from dream.Are you afraid to loose your dream?

      Or face to the reality,be fit and listen Jon Sinn?I think latter one is realistic though.

      Why fatty make excuse for going to gym?You just stay fat and game may help some fettish women not for 9s and 10s.

    2. Anonymous5:19 AM

      As Samuel Jackson would say... "ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER!!! DO YOU SPEAK IT?". Or understand it for that matter.

      I didn't say I was fat, I'm in pretty great shape. I just know a fat guy who had good enough game to pull hot chicks. But even though he was fat, he always dressed cool and acted cool. But I know he's the extreme exception, not the rule. Also, since then, he's lost 100 lbs and looks great.

  19. Anonymous5:10 AM

    Also, Jon, how about a post for advice for short guys. I'm 5'5 and in good shape. I also take great care of my grooming, style etc and I've dated some hot taller women. But is this holding me back? Can I overcome this with personality? I think so. Tom Cruise is like 5'6-5'7 (almost no visible difference with a man 5'4-5'5) and he's conquered movies as a leading man and has become a role model for being an alpha male with great body language.

    I'd really like your input on this?

    1. Anonymous7:33 PM

      Tom Cruise is what's called 'massively pre-qualified,'i.e., A-list celebrity, wealthy, etc, etc. Women would flock to him if he turned into a hairy dwarf during full moons.

      You need to project a Robin Hood vibe, eg, a good-looking rogue who doesn't follow the rules. That, plus my Robin Hood hat, is why women are attracted to me. If I could bring a bow & arrow into clubs, I'd be bringing women home with me in buses.

  20. Anonymous3:57 PM

    Dude, u obviously havent seen TD out gaming 2007-2008 LOL, talk about fat.

  21. Fantastic post as usual with the hidden mischevious irony that Sinn masters. Very well said and overlooked by so many the physical aspect, even if women are emotional and are not impressed by your looks as much as guys would be towards women, obese unibrowed fat guy is run forest run lol, heard it many times, seen it in action specially in clubs. It's a universal truth.. My favorite playground for gaming and an almost sure highway to Same Night Lays fueled by Whiskey and good music, company, etc... is the Club.

    I think we would like to hear Sinn's take on clubs, club game and warm approaches, the posts in that regard are not many, though it can be a quite challenging game in-itself and maybe deserves a seperate product as this is the only venue/strategy NOT yet covered in details by Sinn. I am just voicing what I like, sometimes the product maker responds if there might be a demand for that.

    Bottom line, you wont get laid if you look like the Sheriff of Nottinggam in the animated Robin Hood movie!

    With shape comes also style, smell and overall hygiene (outer) vs. attitude and confidence (iner) which are an integral part and consist of hundreds of small things that build up for the better or the worse. You can concentrate on perfumes, designer clothes, sports, etc.... many things to accentuate and embelish but yet remain far far away from any of peaxxxxxx. Thank God never done it, it was so obvious to me it's meant for losers, I mean teenage logic would even dictate that... I would say that is too stupid and even weird. Definite repellers. yuck!

    I hope we will see Sinn address even more niche seduction markets/ segments like club game and social circle, with these set-ups, all lays have a higher probabilty of success with minimal risk if you know how to play it socially and specifically within the night game arena as it is a another dimension/ platform.

    I am sure Sinn has tons of experience, u cant be that good and have not mastered club game, which is not for beginners for sure, it can be quite challenging but then it becomes second nature.. experience my friends, you only need a little of theory short medium and long term, its the sane balance. Wanna speed it up and make some illegal shortcuts? Model the successful ones, from hollywood and from ur friends who r naturals, you will become better than them with Sinn's material :-) I am speaking from actual experiences during the last past years, get out more, get more exposed, exposure is key to de-sensitivity which is the only tool in a club and in general situations. Mistakes will happen, so what... experience comes from good judgement but experience comes from bad judgement ;)

    1. Anonymous7:40 PM

      Good stuff.

      Basically, your advice boils down to "Be more like Robin Hood." A sentiment we can all agree with.

  22. Anonymous8:32 PM

    agree with all the robin hood comments. England's original PUA.

  23. This reminds me of a Ross Jeffries video testimonial by a 420 lb overweight guy who claimed he banged 13 girls and a hot stripper using Speed Seduction. It's all subjective, but in my opinion being morbidly obese trumps having a sub-par sex life in regards to personal issues needing immediate concern.

  24. Anonymous9:26 PM

    The truth is, there are several ways you can be a fat guy and pull women.

    1) Be famous like Biggie, Big Pun, Jack Black, etc. (Good luck with that, though)

    2) Join a local band that has a following. You won't get as many groupies as Meatloaf or Barry White, but you'll have more girls than you would sitting in front of your computer every night inhaling McDoubles and Cheetos.

    3) Hook up with women who are as unattractive or moreso than you


    4) Pay for it.

    Fat guys, sorry if it's not as inspiring a list as you expected, but it's the truth.

  25. Anonymous8:53 AM

    Luke Krogh?

  26. Anonymous12:41 PM

    All true but what about those fat guys that lost weight. I mean they become selfish jerks later. Im average and my friend lost 80 lbs to 175. Now he gets more chicks faster than me but he can hold em longer than I he doesnt have game evEn as skinny man

  27. Anonymous1:38 PM

    I am 6'0 275# big guy with 8 inch below and a six figure job. I have no problem getting hot chicks. Game is Game. I can talk the talk and back it up in the sack. I dont have a six pack I have a keg. Zero problems and I have cock blocked many a skinny dude.