Wednesday, September 22, 2010

Volume Based Game- The Allen Iverson Approach

I've been trying to clarify some thoughts I'm having on different ways guys meet girls.

So far I've pared everything down to the idea that there are volume based ways of meeting girls and strategy based ways to meet a specific girl/type of girl.

To illustrate what I'm talking about, I get to use a basketball analogy! Hooray!

When it comes to basketball, most uneducated fans look simply at the scoring numbers a player puts up. So if you look strictly at statistics, you would come to the conclusion that over the last 4 years Zach Randolph of the Memphis Grizzlies has been the best power forward in the league. This is because he is the ONLY player in the league to average at least 20 pts and 10 rebounds a game over that time.

What you would be missing is that Zach has been stuck on TERRIBLE teams for the last four years and as a result has ended up taking more shots, getting more rebounds and playing more minutes than he would on a successful team. He is successful only because of the situation which allows him to take a lot of shots and get a lot of rebounds, but doesn't actually lead to team success or championships.

Zach is what's known around the league as a volume scorer. Meaning that when he takes a lot of shots, he scores a lot of points. When his opportunities are reduced, so is his success...

Now how in the world does that apply to meeting women?

Most guys who get good with girls use the volume based approach. This is ESPECIALLY true with other instructors. In fact I would go so far as to say that most other instructors only get laid when they have approached upwards of 20 women in a night. I've personally watched and counted during SEVERAL bootcamps with various instructors from at least 3 different companies over the years.

They are playing a kind of numbers game.

Approach enough women and no matter what you look like or how good your game is, someone will want to sleep with you eventually.

The positives of the volume based approach are that you (should) learn that rejection is not a big deal. This is one of the golden lessons of pick up that guys want to avoid. By doing a large number of approaches you desensitize yourself to the rejection that is a part of the game.

However, a purely volume based approach has some issues.

1. Volume based approaches help you get girls, they don't help you get a specific girl or a specific type of girl. If you're a complete loser with girls (as I was 7 years ago) then you should start with a volume based approach in order to start getting experience. Once you've got that experience you want to really refine what you are looking for and start tailoring your approaches to a specific type of girl you really like.

2. Volume based game takes time. It takes all night to approach 20 different girls or groups of girls unless you're terrible and the approaches all last less than 5 minutes.

3. Volume based game takes energy and a lot of "work". If you're reading this you probably know how lazy I am. While I have approached 20 girls in one night or day, the only way you're getting me to do this now is with a gun to my head (or money). You work really hard when your game is based on how many women you approach as opposed to a more strategy based type of game.

So that brings us to the end of this article and brings up our next topic; Strategy based game.

Tomor I'll have an article for you on that topic.

We're on a 23 and a half hour break,

JS-The King Of Content


  1. Very interesting! Another possible word for strategic PU: sniper game. Ie honing in on 1 exact girl and tailoring the pick-up to the situation instead of throwing out uncalibrated crap. A lot of "gurus" would probably slam this kind of thinking as leading to oneitis and that you should just plow and GFTOG. So kudos for bringing it up.

    Also: you should contact me. We think very alike and I think we should be BFFs (or just do some cool collaboration of some kind, lol).

  2. Anonymous3:12 PM

    Question: How much should one talk in a conversation, in terms of volume? I have seen some of my natural friends, who are usually serious, attract girls just by saying high value and quality things in their conversation, but not necessarily alot in volume. The girls are usually the ones doing most of the talking and trying to impress them. Should one reduce their storytelling and focus on the quality of the conversation? Which method is best?

  3. Approaching a lot of girls is in my opinion the ONLY way to get good at this, at the end of the day game IS a numbers game and the only way to get really good at this is to do huge amounts of approaches.

  4. Anonymous2:45 AM

    I get what your saying, but your looking at it from the prospective of who you are now & you wouldn't be the same person if you hadn't had spent your time & energies on "volume game"

    It's more of an evolution of a persons game, once you have control of the situation (game) you start being selective about targets or your carry on volume game with little or no criteria & end up unfulfilled

    If you don't need volume game to start with you already have game

  5. I'm not a fan of the term 'sniper game' - they're girl, not targets you're trying to kill. You want her to be on your side, not be an opponent.

    Look forward to your thoughts on strategic game, I'm not a big fan either of approaching 20+ in a night.

  6. Your posts have been getting better lately!

    I totally agree everybody starts with a volume based game and this in particular gets one over the rejection thing, as you mentioned.

    Eventually you realize that is a lot of effort for your reward. I believe 100% in getting girls to come to you. I am suprised you don't use any dance floor game however maybe you have changed that stance since I have not seen you in years.

    Look forward to the next post. Interesting point about instructors I have never seen a boot camp operate. That would be so lame just to be good looking (enough) and do volume game what a rip off for the customer.